Voiceover: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only. It is not medical care or advice. Clinicians should rely on their own medical judgements when advising their patients. Patients in need of medical care should consult their personal care provider. Welcome to "That's Pediatrics", where we sit down with physicians, scientists, and experts to discuss the latest discoveries and innovations in pediatric healthcare.
Dr. Allison Williams: Hi, I'm Alli Williams. I'm one of the pediatric hospitalists here at UPMC Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.
Dr. Sameer Agnihotri: Hi, I'm Sameer Agnihotri. I'm a researcher at Children's Hospital.
Dr. Williams: And we are today, joined by Dr. Diego Chaves-Gnecco, who is the Director and Founder of the Salud Para Niños... Sorry, I always say that wrong for some reason but thank you so much for being here.
Dr. Diego Chaves-Gnecco: Thank you so much for having me.
Dr. Williams: We hear that there's an exciting celebration coming up for your clinic?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Yes, we're celebrating our benchmark this year. It is the 20th anniversary since the creation of Salud Para Niños, 20 years since we created Health for the Children. Salud Para Niños actually is an acronym, SALUD stands for students, residents, faculty, and Latinos united against health disparities. So one of our main goals is to address health disparities. So Health for the Children, 20 years at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.
Dr. Agnihotri: That's fantastic. Can you tell us a bit more about the history, the journey, and the development of this amazing program?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Yes, so I'm originally from Colombia, and I came to Pittsburgh, believe it or not, 24 years ago, just for one year. I was a pediatrician in Colombia and I came to a fellowship and opportunities started to show up. I was offered to stay for my MPH. I was offered to finish up some research that I was doing in the fellowship and after those decisions came up, the next logical step was to do my residency again in pediatrics.
So I applied for the match. I was fortunate enough to match in one of the best hospitals in the country, Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh. And once I match, the residency program has to up-to-date, a program that is called CORE, Community Oriented Residency Education and this program is focused in training our future generations of pediatricians in providing health for minority and underserved populations.
So the director of the residency program at that time was Dr. Dena Hofkosh. She approached all the applicants, all the residents who had been accepted for the residency program and were interested in CORE, and she actually told us, "You know, we have good news. "There is four of you guys who are interested, "but we only have two spots for clinic rotations. "So we can be creative or we can just choose two of you." And the four of us we say, "Well, let's be creative."
So Dr. Hofkosh, who has been amazing throughout the last 20 years, supportive mentor, she actually came to me and offered me if I wanted to do my continuity clinic to what is called Child Advocacy Center. So it was for foster care kids. And I said, I would love to work for kids who are in foster care. I think there is a lot that we can be done about that, but you ask us to be creative.
And as part of being creative, by then I had been in Pittsburgh for four years, and I had realized that the Latino community was an invisible community. So even up to this day, this is one of the things that still break my heart, 20 years later, you go on the streets and you ask, "Are there Latinos in Pittsburgh?" And you hear, "There are no Latinos in Pittsburgh."
And the truth is that there are, we are 45,000 Latinos in southwestern Pennsylvania, in the Seven-County Area, and as a community, we need services.
So back in 2002, I proposed to a residency program, and I proposed to the hospital to create Salud Para Niños. The initial idea of the program was to have my continuity clinic as a clinic, not exclusive but as a clinic that could serve Latino patients. So we started slowly, it was one, two, three patients here and there on a weekly basis, it was on Tuesday afternoon but after the first year that it run as a pilot project, it was clear that the need was there.
So the program quickly grew up and expanded. So then we start going to the Birmingham clinic where we offer now with the Care Mobile, free clinic for uninsured patients and over the last 20 years, the program has continued growing. So now we have three weekly clinics in Oakland for children who have insurance, we see patients on Tuesday afternoons, Thursday mornings, and Friday mornings.
And then coincidentally, right before the pandemic happened, we expanded our free clinics because the need was so big. And we were able to demonstrate through another pilot project that we needed to have more clinics for uninsured patients. So now we're offering weekly clinic on Tuesday mornings for uninsured patients. We bring the Care Mobile from Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh to Beechview, we partner with a local NGO, Casa San Jose and we're seeing many kids who don't have health insurance.
Despite the pandemic, 2020 was a record year where we saw, and with probably the most visits from insured patients, 2021 already surpassed 2020 and in 2022, we are on target to surpass the numbers of patients that we saw in 2021 so it's been a very successful program. I'm very pleased to share this with everybody and we try to focus on a comprehensive care.
So it's more than seeing the sick kids. Of course, it's providing Well-Child care visits, but it's making a difference in the community. So putting a lot of emphasis in injury prevention and in many of the things that we do as pediatricians, advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves.
Dr. Agnihotri: Okay.
Dr. Williams: It's a huge growth of the patient population that you're seeing as well are there still residents involved or what type of providers do you have through the clinic?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Yes, so you know, our program has been supported throughout the years with volunteer opportunities and we are very grateful to all the volunteers for that over the last 20 years, that help us at many levels.
We have had high school students. We have had college students and we have physicians at many levels as well from internship, residency, fellows, and then faculty, but with the expansion of the clinic for uninsured patients, the one thing that we're offering in partnership with the residency program is a continuity clinic for residents who are interested in doing their continuity clinic with us.
So we have now three residents, and then the feedback that we have received for them is that they're very pleased and very happy with the experience and they come with us on Tuesday mornings, every Tuesday's a different resident, but we have three constant residents who have done it so far and the feedback that we have received from them is amazing and I'm pleased to share that one of the three residents actually, was selected as a chief resident for our program and one of the things that she said in the interview, I hope I'm not breaking any rules by sharing this with everybody but one of the things that she said in the interview is that she was so happy with her continuity clinic with us, that she wanted to continue with this program and she wanted to make sure that it was available for all future generations of residents.
And I'm pleased to that because we have many missions, we have the mission to make a difference in the community, to provide the health for our patients but also one of our missions is to train the next generation who are gonna be providing for Latino childrens, not only in Pittsburgh, but around the country and around the world.
Dr. Williams: Do you have to be bilingual as a provider to help serve the clinic?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: So we prefer if people speak another language and if they're fluent, however, I will tell you, one of our residents come and she's trying to increase her skills and she use the interpretation service, and that's completely fine.
And then the other thing is that we're seeing patients who come from many countries. So obviously, Spanish is the main language that we use. But for example, we have a lot of families that are coming from Brazil. So I don't speak Portuguese, I joke that I speak Portunol but obviously, we need to provide the best care. So we use the interpretation systems whenever is needed.
And the truth is that while our program was focused on the Latino community over the last 20 years, that we have seen so many families who come all around the world who don't have health insurance in the Pittsburgh area. So we have seen families from Denmark, from South Korea, from Japan, from Indonesia, which I don't know how they hear about us, but they hear that we provide excellent care, free care and they come when they need it and we're pleased to do it for them.
Dr. Agnihotri: Right, so to elaborate on that, Dr. Diego how can we help or how can your listeners today help increase awareness? And do you encounter problems in terms of resources or funding, things like that are there?
- Yes, so I really appreciate that question. So the first thing is I want everybody to know that there are Latinos here in Pittsburgh. We cannot do anything for somebody that we don't know that they exist and as I mentioned before, we as pediatricians, always have been known to be the voice for those who cannot talk.
So as pediatricians, we speak for children, they cannot talk by their self, they don't vote, they don't have always a seat on the table. And the same thing happened with the Latino community, many of the Latino members of the community, they don't speak English, therefore they don't have a voice. They cannot vote, so we want to be a voice for them. We wanna be here, we wanna know that we exist here and that we have our representation.
So as I mentioned before, there is 45,000 Latinos in Southwestern, Pennsylvania, 15,000 of them are children under the age of 18. So that's the first step.
Things that we can do in terms of advocacy and this is not only specific about Latinos, but in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania, there are 24,000 children who don't have health insurance, and they won't qualify for any of the options of insurance. They won't qualify for Medicaid. They don't qualify for CHIP.
There is an organization that is called Children's First, and they're advocating in Harrisburg and UPMC actually, is a sponsor of this to make sure that the laws are changed. So all children have healthcare in Pennsylvania that we truly have universal healthcare in Pennsylvania.
Right now, as I mentioned before, there are 24,000 children who will never have their health insurance in Pennsylvania and these are not only Latinos. So that's the first thing. Can we advocate to the authorities to Harrisburg to make that change in the legislation?
And let me tell you, this is nothing that is so new or so different that other states are doing, the states like Illinois, New York, California, Massachusetts, they truly have universal healthcare and they have universal healthcare for all their children in those states and actually, sad because we have children who come for example, from Massachusetts, who had been receiving amazing care from their local children hospitals and they come here and unfortunately, their care that they have is very limited.
I just had a patient with a cochlear implant who got the cochlear implant in Massachusetts. They didn't have any alternative for health insurance there, the hospital provider for them here, unfortunately, we cannot even do the controls of those cochlear implants. I had a kid as well from Massachusetts with a congenital heart disease. They had the surgery in Boston. They bought everything through their insurance programs here what we can do for those kids is very limited. The free care that we provide with the Well-Child care visit day immunizations but we have limitations when it comes to see a specialist so we are working with many here at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh to see how can we provide so a specialty care for the children.
I have been in contact with car pediatric cardiology, with pediatric endocrinology, with pediatric ophthalmology and I have to say they have been very supportive, but we're looking forward to be able to grow this and to provide this and again, the solution will be to have true universal health insurance for our children in Pennsylvania, not only in Pittsburgh, in Pennsylvania.
Our problem since the beginning for the last 20 years have been a problem that has been run without a specific budget. So we run on volunteer basis. So the work of the volunteers, the work of the residents is very important for us, but we also need some other support. Right now, we only, for example, have one person who is helping to answer our Spanish line.
By the way, our Spanish line was the first line in Pittsburgh to answer to give an option for other languages. So when people call the primary care center, the 412-692-6000 number, there is an option in Spanish, option eight and we were the first ones to have that.
The hospital now is doing an amazing job that when you call the main number of the hospital, you have different options in the menu to choose different language if you don't speak English and that's great and we should replicate that in many other clinics, in all the children community pediatric clinics in our clinic, in the primary care center, but we need more bilingual staff. We need staff who speak different language.
If we don't have the other staff, we rely on interpretation systems, which is okay, but ideally we wanna have a staff who are bilingual. So right now I'm gonna make a pledge here and I'm gonna do an advertisement, I hope don't get charged, but we are hiring. We are looking for patient representatives who help us with answering the phones. They don't have to be bilingual, but if they're bilingual, it's a benefit and we're also trying to hire nursing staff, medical assistants, and nurses who can help us with caring for our patients.
Dr. Williams: I've noticed as a hospitalist here, that there is a huge difference when you speak the language versus use the interpretation system and so I understand the importance of having that bilingual face and aspect of your clinic. As someone who studied in Miami, “Hablo un poquito español.”
So my Spanish is not as great as I would like it to be. Do you have recommendation for providers who would like to increase their medical Spanish dictionary so that they can potentially help with this clinic in the future?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Thank you, Alli, for that question, actually, your Spanish is lovely.
I think we need to encourage the more language that we speak the better, in this country, the main language is English and we all have to speak English, but I joke this is as good as it get after 50 years. So it's not easy, it's not overnight and we need to make sure that our families who don't speak English, learn how to speak English, but we as a country and as Americans, we need to be looking into speaking other languages.
The world is bilingual, trilingual, multilingual. So if people want to learn another language, I encourage them to do it. I would love to speak more than two languages, I speak English and Spanish, but if I can speak Portuguese, or if I can speak French, it will be ideal for me.
In terms of Spanish, the more exposure that you get, the better so volunteering in our clinic is an opportunity, working with our patients is an opportunity, listen to the media that is available in other languages and there are many resources. The American Academy of Pediatrics has a very good resources, a small dictionary for medical Spanish, which I think is great, it has the main terms. The School of Medicine for Medical Students, they offer an elective on medical Spanish for first and second years. And then what we offer as a third and four years is also an elective for those students to come and work with us and continue improving their Spanish and practice their Spanish.
So any opportunity you can take to learn a language, the more, the better. I will say, I learned my English by taking many classes by being exposed, but the best was the environment. So actually I learned my English going to a Summer camp. So any immersion program, any opportunity to get exposed to the language, the more, the better.
Dr. Agnihotri: Okay, Dr. Diego, you're truly inspiring and very passionate and what you've built with your team is amazing, what would you like to see that... We're celebrating the 20 years, what would you like to see this program become in the next 20?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: So, you know, when we started the program, I said, one of our goals is to address disparities in healthcare. So ideally, we wanna address disparities for all children, not only for Latino children, but many minorities in our country, many African American families who are suffering from disparities. We have actually White kids who because they come from underserved areas, they don't have all the resources. So if we can address those barriers, that would be great if we can debunkle those disparities, that will be the best.
My dream and my goal as a pediatrician is to see that all those kids that I take care, not only they grow up healthy and that I address his and their current acute needs, but also that they grow up to become adults who contribute to the community. So every time I see one of my former patients coming to the clinic, I said, I want you to be my pediatrician, or they share with me that they just graduated from high school. Many of them first generation graduated from high school or graduating from college that's a way to celebrate.
As a 20 year benchmark, what a lovely present would be to know that Harrisburg has changed the laws and we too have Universal health insurance in Pennsylvania. I don't know if that's realistic but we can only dream and also to get the support of the hospital. I really appreciate you guys having me here and all the people who are listening to this, because we need to make sure that we treat those who are invisible to our eyes. So in this case it's the Latino community, but I know there are many other communities who are not receiving the care that they need and the support that they need.
It's great to have one of the top hospitals in the country. We need to make sure that our hospital is available for all who need it, all who lives in Pittsburgh and in Southwestern, Pennsylvania.
Dr. Williams: Yeah, we are so lucky here in Pittsburgh that we have a lot of these opportunities and we have a hospital that's filled with great specialists here. You had mentioned that not only are the population of Latinos here in Pittsburgh, where there's... That in Southwest from Pennsylvania is actually a larger number than even I realized. Are there other clinics that Salud Para Niños interfaces with, in other areas of Southwestern, Pennsylvania or is there plans for expansion for your clinic in this areas?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Yes, so we continue growing and the idea is to continue providing as much as we need. I mentioned the opportunity that they are to expand our service, to serve our specialty clinics.
When we start, we were the first bilingual bicultural clinic in Southwestern, Pennsylvania. Right now, there are many other places that care is being provided through our fellow qualified centers and that's great. There are many partnerships that are being built and that's great and as I said before, it's beyond Southwestern, Pennsylvania. We also are looking... I know UPMC has a lot of interest, and they're working very hard in the entire region to meet Pennsylvania to Harrisburg and even outside of the state places like Western Maryland.
So this is something that we have to look in the broader spectrum of the plan, because UPMC is gonna be providing for Latinos in many areas, and while here in Pittsburgh, sometimes we are invisible, in other places, the relevance of the community is much more important like in Harrisburg, in Philadelphia. So we need to prepare ourselves and work in that regard.
Dr. Williams: If you would have one takeaway, I feel like you've hit a lot of really important points throughout this, but I always like to kind of end and wrap up with one big takeaway that our listeners can get from hearing all about your amazing work with the clinic.
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: So I choose to be a pediatrician perhaps for one or two reasons. The first one is because I realize that in one small encounter of 20 minutes, 30 minutes on a Well-Child care visit, you can make a huge difference to a family or to a child. You can smile to a child, you can model to those families the importance of early literacy. You can encourage those moms who are sometimes hesitant because it's their first child and they don't know how they're doing. So as a pediatrician, we're privileged that we can make a huge impact with little that we do in the children's life and in the families that we treat. So I encourage the next generation to think about this.
The other reason that I choose to be a pediatrician is because of the advocacy that we do. So I have being mentioning throughout this presentation, the importance that we become the voice for those who cannot speak for theirselves.
So we pediatrician, we do it all the time. I mentioned already that children don't vote that sometimes they don't cannot speak or advocate for theirselves, we need to be their voice, but we also need to be the voice for those who cannot speak for themselves, for other reasons.
So there are many minority communities, people who are immigrants, Latino families, African American families, White families, who come from under areas that they don't have the access and the privilege that many of our families who live in the city have so we need to be those advocates. We need to make a difference in those families and we can do it in small amounts, just in 20 minutes, 30 minute visit or Well-Child care visit doing an encouragement to those families, modeling early reading, doing some injury prevention and then at the local and at the regional, at the national level, we also have a role and a voice on that.
Dr. Agnihotri: Great, doctor Diego, are there any websites or social media or anything you'd like to share for the audience
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Yes
Dr. Agnihotri: So they can get more information?
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Thank you, so we have our webpage, Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh, www.chp.edu/spanishclinic. We also are in the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh, Department of Pediatric Salud Para Niños. We also have a Facebook page, Salud Para Niños and I have a personal Twitter account that is more for scientific purposes and sometimes publications and things that with that but all the information for the community is in our social media and in the website.
Dr. Williams: Well, thank you so much for being here, thank you for celebrating this important anniversary with us and sharing great information with us. We truly appreciate you coming in today.
Dr. Agnihotri: Yes, thank you so much
Dr. Chaves-Gnecco: Thank you so much, for having thank you for having me, it's a true honor and I feel privileged and I feel honored to be part of Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh over the last 20 years, it's a big celebration. I am very happy and I'm very grateful to be able to celebrate with you guys so thank you so much.
Dr. Williams: Thank you all for listening and have a great day. This is "That's Pediatrics."
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